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City to keep flouride in water after hearing

The City of The Dalles will keep fluoridating part of its water supply despite accusations by opponents that it is immoral and illegal to “mass medicate” citizens.

The council made that decision Monday after hearing testimony from 10 professionals in the dental and medical fields. The elected officials were told that The Dalles has a much lower rate of tooth decay than Hood River, a gorge city that does not fluoridate its water.

“It is not even close between the two towns,” said Jim Bickler, an orthodontist who works in both communities.

He said fluoridating the water was most beneficial to lower-income residents who often had poorer diets and could not afford regular dental care.

“The people who derive the most benefit from this are not sitting in this room,” he said at the July 8 meeting.

That statement was backed up by Teri Thalhofer, director of the North Central Public Health District.

She said The Dalles had a 10 percent greater poverty rate than Hood River and about triple the population. But far fewer cavities were found among clients on nutritional assistance programs in The Dalles.

“Dental caries cause chronic pain in children and children in pain don’t learn well,” said Thalhofer.

Robert Boyet of The Dalles had asked the elected body to reconsider fluoridating part of its water supply, which has been done since 1957. He said the industrial grade of the mineral used by the city is “toxic” and threatens public health.

“They (companies that produce fluoride) cannot dump toxic waste in the water but they are allowed to distribute it all over the country to go into our water,” he said.

Other opponents told the council it was impossible for the fluoride dosage in water to be regulated to a safe level because people not only drank it but bathed in it and cooked with it. They said credible scientific studies had been done to show that fluoride lowered intelligence in developing children and caused arthritis, bone fractures, kidney disease, cancer and fertility problems.

“Fluoridation is medicating everyone whether they need it or not,” said Garrett Wallen of The Dalles. “Please, I beg of you, stop the fluoride madness.”

Kurt Ferré, a dentist from Portland, told city officials that he had traveled from Portland in hopes of stopping political opposition from mounting to change the city’s fluoridation practices.

He said the strategy of opponents was to evoke an emotional response in people to rally them against use of the mineral.

“The perception of fear interferes with judgment,” he said. “You have to do a risk-benefit analysis of the issue. The role of government is to take care of the young, old, sick, needy and handicapped.”

That theme was picked up by other physicians, who said the vast majority of studies showing the harmful health effects of fluoridation were performed in other countries where the levels were doubled or even tripled.

They said arsenic could be found in bread, ice cream and other popular foods but not at a level that is harmful, as is the case with fluoride.

Chuck Haynie, a retired surgeon who practiced in The Dalles and Hood River, said it was important for city officials to become informed about the issue in case a ballot measure was brought forward by opponents. He said Hood River’s medical and dental community had lost a bid for water fluoridation in the early 2000s because voters were inundated with misleading and wrong information.

“Some of the ideas you hear might sound a little off but let me tell you that every single one of them convinced some voter to vote no,” he said.

Haynie said medical and dental associations had researched the issue thoroughly before taking a stand that fluoridation was the right thing to do.

“Professionals are not here at the behest of some corporation that is trying to dump toxic waste in your water,” he said.

Dave Anderson, public works director, read the council a long list of agencies that support the practice, including the American Medical Association and World Health Organization. He said the U.S. Center for Disease Control had concluded that fluoridation of drinking water was one of the 10 greatest public health achievements of the 20th century.

He said the U.S. Surgeon General reported in 2004 that every $1 invested in fluoridation saved $38 or more in dental treatment costs.

He said the city had to comply with state and federal standards limiting the amount of fluoride that can be added to drinking water to a maximum of 4 parts per million. The city currently fluoridates water from the Wicks Water Treatment Plant and the Lone Pine well at 0.7 parts per million. The other two local water sources have natural fluoride levels of 0.6 to 0.7 parts per million so no fluoride is added to these systems.

Anderson said the annual cost of the city’s fluoride program is less than $10,000 per year, which is a low cost for a program of great public benefit.

Several U.S. court decisions have rejected the argument that fluoride is a medication and not a mineral, he said.

Councilor Tim McGlothlin told the audience that the council had been inundated with material on both sides of the issue. He said it had been his duty as a representative of the people to keep an open mind and read all of the submitted literature and comments before making a decision.

He said after weighing the issues, he came down on the side of fluoridation. His was joined in that assertion by his peers and the decision was made to retain the current program.

Comments

DrJohnson 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Thank you The Dalles City Council!! I am extremely proud to see our elected officials follow the credible science of Fluoridation and to rely on the experts in this field.

Your residents, especially the poorest of the poor, will continue to enjoy having 25% or greater reductions in their cavities because of fluoridated water.

And a special thanks to your residents, dental and medical professionals, and to Dave Anderson for presenting the science and common sense of fluoridation.

Like Pinellas County. FL where I live, you all have made a fantastic decision in Public Health. Continue your great work!!

Sincerely,

Johnny Johnson, Jr., DMD, MS Pediatric Dentist Palm Harbor, FL (Pinellas County)

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garrett 9 months, 2 weeks ago

I suggest listening to the City Council meeting for yourself. Listen close to what Kristy Wallen says in her speech. She starts talking at exactly 1:11:11. She brings up some very important information that everyone should look into. Listen to the whole meeting and decide for yourself what is the truth.

Garrett Wallen, resident of The Dlalles OR

http://www.ci.the-dalles.or.us/newsite/agendas?q=agenda_city_council

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garrett 9 months, 2 weeks ago

The Oregon Dental Association is trying pass a house bill that will allow towns and city's state wide to fluoridate your water without your consent. Wake up people and please research water fluoridation. If you do not educate yourself on the harmful effects of this DRUG then everyone will be mass medicated by their town or city council. Please educate yourself on this matter so we can stop the water fluoridation hoax that has been harming us for so long. I suggest watching THE FLUORIDE DECEPTION and reading the book. Don't stop there, keep researching as much information as you can. Your health depends on it!!!!!

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-fluoride-deception/

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Sslott 9 months, 2 weeks ago

I could not agree more with "Garrett". Oregon citizens, please DO properly educate yourselves on the issue of water fluoridation. However, I would strongly suggest that instead of relying on the non peer-reviewed "book" of staunch antifluoridationist Paul Connett, you obtain accurate information from reliable sources as the EPA, the CDC, the ADA, the World Health Organization, and others of this caliber, all of which have a wealth of accurate, factual information based on peer-reviewed science, readily available on their websites.

Too, it would be advisable to question the reliability and honesty of anyone who seeks to steer you to antifluoridationist websites and videos instead of to original sources of information where you may read it yourselves in complete, proper context, without having been first filtered and edited by antifluoridationists.

Steven D. Slott, DDS

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CHaynie 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Fluoridation opponents like to pretend that only dentists, like the ODA support community water fluoridation (CWF). There are over 100 prestigious scientific and professional organizations which recognize the importance of CWF. They include pediatricians, public health experts, surgeons, nurses, research scientists and health advocates.

Acad Dentistry InterNatl Acad General Dentistry Acad for Sports Dentistry Alzheimer’s Assoc America’s Health Insurance Plans Am Acad Family Physicians Am Acad Nurse Practitioners Am Acad Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology Am Acad Orthopaedic Surgeons Am Acad Pediatrics Am Acad Pediatric Dentistry Am Acad Periodontology Am Acad Physician Assistants Am Assoc for Community Dental Programs Am Assoc for Dental Research Am Assoc for Health Education Am Assoc for the Advancement Science Am Assoc Endodontists Am Assoc Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons Am Assoc Orthodontists Am Assoc Public Health Dentistry Am Assoc Women Dentists Am Cancer Society Am College Dentists Am College Physicians / Am Society Internal Medicine Am College Preventive Medicine Am College Prosthodontists Am Council on Science and Health Am Dental Assistants Assoc Am Dental Assoc Am Dental Education Assoc Am Dental Hygienists’ Assoc Am Dietetic Assoc Am Federation Labor and Congress of Industrial Orgs Am Hospital Assoc Am Legislative Exchange Council Am Medical Assoc Am Nurses Assoc Am Osteopathic Assoc Am Pharmacists Assoc Am Public Health Assoc Am School Health Assoc Am Society for Clinical Nutrition Am Society for Nutritional Sciences Am Student Dental Assoc Am Water Works Assoc Assoc for Academic Health Centers Assoc Am Medical Colleges Assoc Clinicians for the Underserved Assoc Maternal & Child Health Programs Assoc State & Territorial Dental Directors Assoc State & Territorial Health Officials Assoc State & Territorial Public Health Nutrition Directors British Fluoridation Society Canadian Dental Assoc Canadian Dental Hygienists Assoc Canadian Medical Assoc Canadian Nurses Assoc Canadian Paediatric Society Canadian Public Health Assoc Child Welfare League America Children’s Dental Health Project Chocolate Manufacturers Assoc Consumer Federation America Council State & Territorial Epidemiologists Delta Dental Plans Assoc FDI World Dental Federation Federation Am Hospitals Hispanic Dental Assoc Indian Dental Assoc (USA.) Institute of Medicine Institute for Science in Medicine InterNatl Assoc for Dental Research InterNatl Assoc for Orthodontics InterNatl College Dentists March Dimes Birth Defects Found Natl Assoc Community Health Centers Natl Assoc County & City Health Officials Natl Assoc Dental Assistants Natl Assoc Local Boards Health Natl Assoc Social Workers Natl Confectioners Assoc Natl Council Against Health Fraud Natl Dental Assistants Assoc Natl Dental Assoc Natl Dental Hygienists’ Assoc Natl Down Syndrome Congress (list truncated)

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garrett 9 months, 2 weeks ago

The only argument any dentist or MD has is that water fluoridation prevents cavities. Here is information that their claims are very misleading. They do not have strong evidence backing up their claims and should stop using inconclusive data that mislead the public.

This information was provided by politifact.com

"If you compare the Portland Metro area to the CDC’s statewide cavity rates ... the Portland Metro area would actually rank as having the 15th lowest cavity rate in the U.S."

Look up and research the facts. http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2013/apr/20/clean-water-portland/do-numbers-put-multnomah-co-par-15th-lowest-cavity/

Garrett Wallen, resident of The Dalles OR

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Sslott 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Congratulations to the citizens of Dalles, and a sound vote of admiration for your town council, and the dedicated professionals who took the time and made the effort to act on the behalf of the best interests of all your citizens. Dalles is truly fortunately fortunate to have such sound leadership from the private and public sector.

Steven D. Slott, DDS

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garrett 9 months, 2 weeks ago

The dentist commenting here isn't even from The Dalles OR. He doesn't have to drink the toxic DRUG fluoride that is being put in YOUR drinking water.

Slott Steven D Dr Dentist is a dentist at 835 Heather Road, Burlington, NC 27215 http://www.insiderpages.com/doctors/Steven-D-Slott-DDS-Burlington

FDA/FLUORIDE FILES http://www.fluoridealert.org/researchers/fda/

Garrett Wallen, resident of The Dalles OR

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Sslott 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Congratulations, "garrett"! You know how to Google! There was no need for you to do that, however, as I always attach my full name to my comments and will gladly provide any reasonable information about myself which anyone may wish to know. Yes I practice dentistry in Burlington, NC, and am an alumnus of the University of North Carolina School of Dentistry. I have spent the overwhelming part of my 32 year dental career providing dental care, and advocating, for the needy of our society. Through my private practice, which is primarily Medicaid, and the large free dental program i founded and directed for 6 years, i have seen, nearly every day of my working career, the devastating effects of untreated dental disease. It is excruciating, debilitating, life-threatening, and sometimes fatal. Water fluoridation has been repeatedly shown in countless peer-reviewed studies, to be a very effective dental decay preventive, while causing no adverse effects. Thus, when I see uninformed antifluoridationists such as you, seeking to deprive all citizens these proven benefits, through the posting of misinformation, I, naturally, correct them with facts supported by valid scientific evidence.

If you wish me to go away, then cease regurgitating nonsense you copy and paste off of biased, antifluoridationist websites such as "fluoridealert.org", which, by the way, is sponsored and maintained by an antifluoridationist group in New York, not anyone in Dalles, OR, either. If you wish to properly educate yourself on the issue of water fluoridation, then exert the effort and take the necessary time to access accurate information from reliable, respected, and original sources.

The people of Dalles deserve far better than to have you being a funnel for misinformation coming directly from New York antifluoridationist groups.

Steven D. Slott, DDS

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garrett 9 months, 2 weeks ago

More on why fluoride should be removed from the water supply.

Watch The Great Culling http://youtu.be/P7BqFtyCRJc

http://www.thegreatculling.net/index.html

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Sslott 9 months, 1 week ago

Yes, "garrett", "The Great Culling"...... More nonsense from New York antifluoridationists which you are attempting to funnel to your fellow citizens in Dalles. They deserve far better than that from you or any other of their fellow citizens.

Steven D. Slott, DDS

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garrett 9 months, 1 week ago

Yes, yes, great dentist of little facts limited knowlege. You would think that a degree in dental surgery would mean that you know what your talking about. Every time you post something you look bad. No real arguments or conclusive facts except lies from the organizations that probably pay you to post misleading information to our small town news paper. You must have no life or you are getting paid alot to watch this fluoride debate and comment so much. The big water fluoridation hoax is almost over and your input is boring us. I'm actually embarrassed for you. They must be giving dentists degrees away nowadays. The American people are waking up to your lies and the ADAs lies. It's only a matter of time before you yourself will be changing your protest sign to STOP WATER FLUORIDATION especaly if you want to keep your practice going. You are done sir and its time to move on.

Garrett Wallen, resident of The Dalles OR

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garrett 9 months, 1 week ago

This dentist is hilarious!! My sides are starting to hurt from laughing so hard at his comments. Ok, he clames that the CDC and ADA have done research, these are the currupt organizations that are paying off everyone to promote water fluoridation. Just look into what I have posted and yes look into what this dentist has posted. At least Im telling you to research things on your own and make an educated decision for yourself. He's trying to use mind control and name drop like that matters. The truth is the only thing that matters. Your research is the only thing that matters. Trust in yourself and only seek the truth.

Garrett Wallen, 8 year resident of The Dalles OR, 11 year Army Veteran DISABLED, Graduate of CGCC, local Wind Turbine Technician, Son, Husband, and FATHER to KAIN who is my motivation in becoming active in stopping fluoridation and becoming more educated in the harmful effects of Water Fluridation.

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Sslott 9 months, 1 week ago

Yes, citizens of Dalles, "garrett" is asking you to do your own "research", then provides links to biased, antifluoridationist websites, and biased, antifluoridationist YouTube videos. This is nothing but an attempt to funnel "information" of the New York based Fluoride Action Network, which is the sponsor of the website "fluoridealert.org", into Dalles. He then attempts to discredit the Centers for Disease Control and the American Dental Association with unsubstantiated claims of "corruption", a tactic frquently used by antifluoridationists, in lieu of facts supported by valid scientific evidence.

The question is whether you wish to heed information being funnelled directly from a biased New York abtifluoridationist group which answers to no one for any information they choose to disseminate, or that from respected, authoritative sources which are held publicly accountable for ALL information they disseminate? Again, the websites of the EPA, the CDC, the ADA, the World Health Organization, among others of like caliber and respect, all have a wealth of accurate information on water fluoridation, based on valid, peer-reviewed science, readily available to anyone.

Steven D. Slott, DDS

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garrett 9 months, 1 week ago

Check out the The Milgram Experiment and you will understand why I keep referring to this dentist as a white coat. If you have never heard of this experiment I highly suggest clicking on the link. It doesn't have anything to do with water fluoridation and could have everything to do with water fluoridation. See for yourself.

http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

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garrett 9 months, 1 week ago

Those centers the white coat dentist represents have done a great job at discrediting themselves. I didn't have to do anything. When I say "do your own research" I mean just that. Look at the white coats information, look at the information that I've provided for you, and find your information. Then make up your own mind!!! Its as simple as that. This will be my last post because I feel if anyone has followed this discussion then they are smart enough find the truth. Good luck and if anyone would like to help the fight against water fluoridation my email is garrettwallen@yahoo.com.

Garrett Wallen, resident of The Dalles OR

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garrett 9 months, 1 week ago

Shocking results!!! See how much fluoride your kids are taking in daily. http://www.nofluoride.com/school_lunch.cfm

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ToothTruth 9 months, 1 week ago

Garrett,

6-0 vote. Obviously, your comments didn't resonate with the City Council. I especially liked your comment that anyone who supports fluoridation should be arrested for terrorism because of their poisoning the public water supply.

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